My dad didn't think my mum was a mistake
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| Freda in Dunedoo |
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| Freda in Dunedoo |
| John Rose of Southampton |
Mind you, literacy and enfranchisement of women was not a concept that men of any class considered at the time.
John Rose appeared to have no respect for the conservative press. He once made a great point of saying he “objected to the authority adduced, as he (Rose) did not now patronise the Hampshire Advertiser” (reported in 1836 in notes of a public temperance meeting aimed at removing the inducement for the poor frequenting the public-house or beer-shop)[i]. He mocked the newspapers read by the gentry and the establishment, and it would appear that he had quite a following. The same 1836 article about ale making reported John Rose as stating:
“They could not hinder
the rich from enjoying themselves in luxury and drunkenness, and why then try
to shut up beer shops, where plenty of information was to be got, &c.
&c. &c.”
It is
probable that William Rose, the beer seller of East Street in 1836 was John
Rose’s brother or another relative.[ii]
Beer shops
and public-houses were places where working men and others gathered, especially
since there would have been no room to entertain at home, and street corners
would have been too cold and uncomfortable for socialising. The public houses were centres for discussion
and exchange of information. As a
politicised working man with strong opinions, John Rose would most likely have
understood the hidden agendas of the men of standing in Southampton.
No wonder he
often found himself at odds with the establishment.
In fact,
John Rose was fined time and time again and was imprisoned at least twice – in
1834 and in 1841. The first time was in
a passing reference in an article about his wife Isabella Rose, giving his
reaction to her being fined for selling unstamped newspapers[iii]:
“This decision was immediately conveyed to her husband, who
in turn broke the windows of his prison-house.”
John Rose
seemed to have been hot-headed indeed – was he manic? He was fined on a number of occasions for
assault or was involved in altercations, and even a knifing, which ended up
before the Southampton Magistrates.
Other matters included libel (1839) and, like his wife Isabella, selling unstamped newspapers.
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| My yearbook for 2019 |
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| Sheep grazing |
Simon was born in 1747 in Misterton, Somerset, a village very near the town of Crewkerne. The area was known for sheep farming and cottage-based textile industries - wool combing and weaving. Simon still lived there into adulthood because it was in Misterton that he married twice, the first to Susannah Burt and the second to Ann Hunt who outlived him.
It is unknown when he moved to Southampton or why. Maybe there were more opportunities to extend his trade there. By the beginning of the nineteenth century, wool combers began to demand better working conditions and pay and it was probably at his father's feet that his son John Rose (1804-1884) became politically aware.
| Margaret's Jubilee breakfast in Southampton 2012 |
My fourth cousin Ange whom we'd first met in 2008 on our three-month road trip with a wheelchair-accessible motorhome invited me to use her place as my base. Ange and Paul (another wheelchair user) live in Southampton where my father was born in 1914. He had migrated with his mother to Australia in 1925, joining his Dr Barnardo sponsored older sisters.
Ange kindly showed me many places around Southampton where my ancestors had lived for over two hundred years.
During my time spent at their place, the Queen's Diamond Jubilee was celebrated. One of the major initiatives was to encourage the British population to hold Jubilee breakfasts - almost like a Christmas or American Thanksgiving Day. The idea was to invite neighbours or family to celebrate this special event, commemorating Queen Elizabeth II's sixty years on the throne whilst watching the pageant on TV. Quite apt in 2022 when we have already started to celebrate the Queen's Platinum (70th) anniversary, don't you think?
Check my post in 2012 at Diamond Jubilee Celebrations at Totten. You can safely say I didn't enjoy black pudding. Nor did I finish my plate - I am not used to such big breakfasts.
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| Peter, Linda and me in Weymouth 2014 |
I had retired from full time work in 2002 and by 2005 was well into exploring our family history. My grandparents all hailed from the south of England - Hampshire and Kent whilst John’s grandparents were all born in Australia with ancestors - some of them convicts - arriving between 1832 and 1867. However his heritage is 70% Irish with the rest hailing from Yorkshire and counties north of London.
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| Linda, me and Ange in Dover, 2016 |
The towns, cities and countryside we explored were amazing - so different from much of Australia.
| Elizabeth and her children in Orange County, Florida |
So really, meeting these cousins and friends was always the highlight of our travel adventures. Many we have seen time and time again. I wrote a blog post about this in 2012. Check it out at Travelling solo. We are active members of The Moxon Society and English, American and Canadian members - mostly not related to John - have been extremely generous with their time, showing us around and often shouting our meals.
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| Annie Ashby’s marriage record 1888 |
Kate herself was born illegitimate with the father’s name left blank although she was known as a Palmer. It took me a long time to realise that she was registered at birth in 1881 with her mother’s maiden name of Annie Ashby, a field worker in Ightham, Kent. My mother later told me that her mother Kitty Palmer Pocock’s father was a John Palmer and this appears to be verified by DNA records. She didn’t know that John Palmer was her mother’s half nephew roughly the same age as Annie.
And Annie herself? Yes, she too was illegitimate although, like her older full siblings, she had been baptised with Cornelius Palmer listed as her father. Her mother was Elizabeth Ashby, widower Cornelius Palmer’s servant listed in the 1841 census. They were never married. He had about 11 children with his first wife Eleanor who died in 1839. By the 1851 census, Cornelius was 75 and on poor relief, but Elizabeth, now known as Elizabeth Palmer had four children by him and was to have two more! A labourer, I can imagine that Cornelius was too mobility-impaired to work. By 1861, the year he died, he was listed as an inmate of the West Malling Union Workhouse. This was the defacto "nursing home" of the day.
In the 1861 census, Elizabeth and all her children were listed as Ashby. Then in 1869, she did marry - this time to Reuben Hartrup whom she'd known since childhood. In 1841 and 1851 he'd been living with her parents, Henry and Elizabeth Ashby. He may have been regarded as an adopted son since in one census he was noted as Reuben Ashby. The spellings of his surname were many, as I noted in a previous post.
So with Annie's varied surname history - born illegitimate but with a known father - and having already borne a child known in the village as Kate Elizabeth Palmer but registered as Palmer, what surname did she decide to use when she got married in 1888? Well Palmer was the most convenient. And she had indeed been baptised in her home village by that surname even if she was registered by the government as Ashby in 1855. It made sense.
But why didn't she give her father's name as Cornelius Palmer, actually the truth? Instead, she created a new name for her step-father and named him as Reuben Palmer. He'd never been known as that. His name was Hartrup/Hartrop/Aleroupe/Altroup/Holtrop - take your pick.
No wonder family history research is so hard, although fascinating. One can definitely not trust the officially records to be corrent.